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here's this photo:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/060127/photos_lf_afp/06012718282100m3rzf5_photo0

notice the stacks of cages behind the main image; look how much space the animals (don't) have to move around. you think it's any different, with cows, pigs, chickens, here in the u.s.? think again.

of course, there's also something to say about the fact that this image, from china, is available, and is being widely reproduced through yahoo's news channels (it is one of the 3 most emailed pictures today; it was yesterday, too). americans find it shocking that people in other countries eat dog meat. so the shock value of this image is heightened when it is reproduced and circulated in a u.s. context, and it contributes to the exoticized "otherness" of chinese people and the nation of china, via these "foreign" food consumption practices. in short, the focus is on the fact that *dog* is being raised for *food*, not on the way the dog is being treated. my purpose here is to focus on how the dog is being treated, irrespective of how i or anyone else feels about it being used as food (to the extent that i can ever get away from that purpose behind the image's circulation, whether it's my intention or not)--in my opinion, there's no difference between eating dog, and eating beef, chicken, pork, horse, or whatever (even human meat, quite frankly--or the fish that i freely admit consuming myself). but ask yourself...why don't we ever see such images of u.s. slaughterhouses? the answer is that the companies raising and slaughtering meat in the u.s. are extremely careful not to let people in with cameras. whenever PETA produces documentary footage of slaughterhouse practices, they have to sent in people with hidden cameras. if you want to see some of their footage, look here: http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/index.asp at the bottom, right-hand corner of the page you can link to actual film footage taken inside of KFC slaughterhouses. but PETA has the reputation of being a big "extremist" or "fringe" group. well...look at the film footage. do you really want to eat meat from animals that were treated that way? do you think this treatment--along with the farming practices that characterized the animal's life prior to the moment of slaughter--have no effect on the nutritional content of the meat?

it's funny, i became a vegetarian simply because i lost my taste for meat, and because it's healthier; same applies now that i'm a pescatarian rather than a strict vegetarian. i have never been a so-called "ethical" vegetarian. that is changing. i still don't categorically object to the consumption of meat--as i have indicated, i eat fish, and i also eat eggs and dairy products (you can't eat eggs or dairy without being implicated in the meat industry)--but i think it's important for people to know where their food comes from, and how it was produced, including the farming and slaughtering practices. we are so far removed from that, now; how many of us (in the u.s. and other "developed" nations) have *ever* seen an animal slaughtered, or has any idea of the process by which an animal is raised for slaughter? it is extremely difficult to get that information. you can hedge it, by buying meat that's labeled as "free range," from stores that are committed to environmentalism and social justice, but even that's not a guarantee. even the PCC is in business to make a profit. maybe this is really cynical of me, but i firmly believe that *most* businesses, if they can cut a corner to improve the bottom line, will. see the recent flap over the duck meat sold at whole foods stores--there was a huge expose revealing that this so-called "free-range" duck actually came from a factory farm where the animals were housed in sheds, never saw the light of day, and had their beaks sliced off with hot knives to prevent them from fighting with each other or neurotically pulling out their own feathers because of the stress of overcrowding.

alienation...mass production...mass consumption...instrumental capitalism...

god, it's fucking depressing sometimes. i think the most depressing thing about it is how pervasive this shit is. you can't get away from it. there is no fully ethical form of consumption. it's all implicated in capitalism.

Date: 2006-01-30 12:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] boutell.livejournal.com
*Nod*

I've had arguments with people on both sides of the divide. I was vegan for eleven years and I'm still strictly vegetarian as far as flesh is concerned. But I do think there are people out there whose genetic makeup probably makes small amounts of meat an important part of their diet. And I draw a line between the gratuitous cruelty of the feedlot and medical animal research that actually benefits human life to a significant degree. Hell, I wear leather shoes, because everything else is such total crap and is pretty much a petrochemical product.

Since I do think it may be appropriate for some people, I tend to encourage things like free-range meat (problematic though it is) and pampas beef. And if it's more expensive... well, it doesn't have to be part of every dinner.

Date: 2006-01-30 12:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
yes... and of course i didn't even touch on the labor practices followed on factory farms and in slaughterhouses. i know something about this...perhaps i'll post on it another time. it's just another layer to the instrumental exploitation that characterizes so-called "global" or "late" capitalism. the environmentalists have something to say on this issue as well...which is my overall point. it's all connected. and we're all inextricably connected to *it*. some days it really chafes.

Date: 2006-01-30 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glaucon.livejournal.com
the animals were housed in sheds, never saw the light of day, and had their beaks sliced off with hot knives to prevent them from fighting with each other or neurotically pulling out their own feathers because of the stress of overcrowding.

booze, drugs, television, consumer goods, etc are used to similar effect on humans.

Date: 2006-01-30 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
and for similar purposes.

Date: 2006-01-30 02:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glaucon.livejournal.com


then they return to their trains all alone
sit behind smokestacks and try to go home
but eventually realize they're chimneys instead
burning food in their bodies and thoughts in their heads.

Date: 2006-01-30 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glaucon.livejournal.com

my unconscious mind.

it's from a dream I had entirely in verse about how the Industrial Revolution turned people into miniature factories themselves even while continuing to use them as fuel for the larger factories that were producing the mental and physical goods burned in the workers/factories.

it was much longer when I dreamed it, but I could only recall the last four lines on waking. they wrap up the gist of the whole thing pretty tightly though.

Date: 2006-01-30 06:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
wow, cool! a dream entirely in verse...the only time anything even close to that happens to me is when i've been reading a lot of shakespeare--makes me dream in elizabethan english (we've talked about this before).

that's one interesting dream.

Date: 2006-01-30 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] glaucon.livejournal.com
I get about one of those a year. I wish I could remember them better.
They always go on and on but when I wake up, I only have the echo of the last four lines.

Date: 2006-01-30 04:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avisionaire.livejournal.com
That's not sarcastic, btw. There's more thought in that post than in 98% of posts here.

Date: 2006-01-30 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
lol--thanks. i love the graphic. did you come up with that yourself?

hmm. maybe that's how i should divide my livejournal from my other journal on blogspot. if it's "smart" (i.e. primarily political or intellectual content) i could put it there; if it's "not smart" (i.e. primarily personal content, maybe?) i could put it here. i would probably screw it up, though--i have trouble drawing lines like that.

Date: 2006-01-31 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] avisionaire.livejournal.com
I have three different journals with very distinct boundaries:

1] In [livejournal.com profile] avisionaire I post on a variety of topics, most of which are not overtly personal;
2] I save [livejournal.com profile] echoedpulse for more inimate musings;
3] And [livejournal.com profile] thearidsea is all about the band.

This system of journals has evolved over time as I've searched for comfort zone in regard to an online presence. They work well for me. :) And yeah, the graphic is my own attempt at cleverness. ;)

Date: 2006-02-02 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaysus! ... (re: the photo)

That'll stick with me a while. Swell. **shudder**


K.

Date: 2006-02-02 12:38 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
sorry...i know that probably makes a *huge* impact with all of the animal rescue work you do.

speaking of which, have you been involved with the katrina animal rescue situation at all? i keep reading about all the tens of thousands of animals that were displaced, that are now in shelters with no apparent hope of being reunited with their humans. but nothing says what is happening to them or what *will* happen to them.

Date: 2006-02-02 12:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
oops, that reply (about the katrina animal rescue stuff) was from me.

Date: 2006-02-08 09:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
No, we aren't involved in that at all. Our shelter has enough on its plate to handle and barely hold its own there. I can't imagine. Such poor little souls. Just kills me.

K

Date: 2006-02-02 12:14 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
BTW, did you even make it to my "blog"??

K.

Date: 2006-02-02 12:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arguchik.livejournal.com
yes i did, but i can't reply without being a member. i read back a ways...can't remember how far.

sh.

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